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good monday afternoon to yo today trying to define the american mission in libya protecting civilians, taking out gadhafi, president obama insisting we will not get dragged into another mid east war but what exactly is the end game? sending a message to the military in our own country. hundreds of protesters protesting the treatment of bradley manning standing up for the constitutional rights and principle of innocent until proven guilty. also, the unemployed need not apply. why more and more people say you need a job to find a job. the show starts right now. good afternoon to you. 4:00 here in new york city this afternoon. 10:00 p.m. in libya where a brief calm in the skies over tripoli has been shattered by a
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new round of gunfire that follows a weekend of u.s. led air strikes. president obama answering questions this afternoon for the first time since sending our fighter jets into action. >> the core principle that has to be upheld here is that when the entire international community, almost unanimously, says that there is a potential humanitarian crisis about to take place that a leader who has lost his legitimacy decides to turn his military on his own people, that we can't simply stand by with empty words. >> one of this weekend's bombings badly damaged president gadhafi's compound. pro-gadhafi forces opened fire on a crowd of rebels in mizratah today killing nine of them gaining control of that area seen as critical for gadhafi on a strategic level. what is happening in libya? the latest headline from the
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uprisingings throughout the middle east look like this away from libya. yemen also in crisis right now. the president is losing his grip on power. he dissolved his cabinet over the weekend but for the growing groups of protesters that's not enough. some of the members of the military now even siding with the protesters. meantime, chaos has spread to syria where protesters enter a fourth straight day and uprising in bahrain. calm has returned to the streets but groups of anti-government protesters insisting their movement is far from over and saying their own government has been opening fire on them. bahrain is a u.s. ally unlike libya. in egypt, a wave of revolution began 55 days ago. an example of what a determined minority can accomplish. 18 million free egyptians voted
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over the weekend to overhaul the constitution ahead of elections this summer but democracy remains just a dream for so many of these other volatile parts of the middle east from saudi arabia to iran which leaves us with the biggest remaining question. when push comes to shove, is the u.s. with the allied dictators that it finances or the freedom fighters that we currently claim to support? nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel on the ground in libya. richard filed this report for us a short time ago. >> reporter: dylan, the rebels here in the east have today begun a counteroffensive. they've been moving out of cities like benghazi and heading to the front line. they have been seen along the way destroyed vehicles, gadhafi's army that had been destroyed by american and european air and missile strikes but this is a very disorganized
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rebellion. they are only able to advance when gadhafi's forces have already been destroyed. most of the rebels we saw today were young. they didn't really know how to handle their weapons. some of them didn't have any weapons at all. one young man couldn't have been more than 15 or 16 was firing a pistol in the air playing with his knife. he was even spinning the pistol in his finger like an old wild west trick. this is not an organized military force that without western help would not be able to go very far and would not be able to go to tripoli which they say is their goal. air strikes have been continuing. the rebels are welcoming that. the people across this region are welcoming that. they no longer feel threatened. they no longer feel that gadhafi's forces have the ability to come in and search house to house and punish people for having supported this rebellion but from what we were able to see today, looking at the rebels without significant
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airpower perhaps more airpower they are not going to be able to win this war. >> thank you for that report, richard. i want to bring in a former u.s. ambassador to morocco and a senior fellow for advanced studies. how clearly is it defined and can we achieve it? >> as ambassador ginsberg told me is we've taken sides despite what we say about trying to focus on humanitarian. as richard engel just talked about, there's no organization here. by the fact we opened the door, we've now allowed rebels to move forward. not good or bad, it is what it is. the problem we have to face now is what is our end game? we have exceeded the idea of no fly. we're not now talking about humanitarian support. i see the very same path we went down for the bosnia situation. it opened up the same which with u.n. resolutions and us helping
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with no-fly zones and it became expensive and we're still there. >> are we in a collapsed state and multiple countries where libya once was? >> there's a chance because libya is a tribal country with a lot of major tribes and minor tribes. 140 in total. as my friend just said a few seconds ago, you know, we already technically accomplished our goal. we created a blood bath in benghazi. moammar gadhafi's troops are now having to retreat. we can declare victory and go home if that was our victory. the real danger is that libya would be divided between a very disorganized militia that it will try to march 450 miles across the desert and attack tripoli and gadhafi with his forces still more or less intact defending tripoli and then last thing that we need to do is to be caught up in geopolitical
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gamesmanship that is of consequential interest to the united states. >> let's look at hypocrisy on almost every level western european relationships with the middle east, countries relationships with themselves and basically the blow back and call to pay the piper is upon us, any clarity as to what implications are of america choosing the side of freedom fighters as the march toward revolution gets closer and closer to places like bahrain and saudi arabia who have to be wondering themselves if it gets hot on the streets in those countries, which side america, who is their strongest ally, is on. >> we're in a chess game right now. and five chess games. we have to consider the end game and each one is different. this is the reason the arab
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league you have seen initially support us and now back off. the truth is that arab league is more worried about internal control of their own countries and they could care less about democracy. i think that's one of the issues we'll have to face here head-on. when we talk about yemen, we talk about a situation where we've been very close to that government and a real threat there so we have to handle that with full regard to the fact that al qaeda is very active there. the saudis have been an ally. at times have been on both sides of the fence. the evidence has shown. and we've got to deal with them in a certain way. we have libya now and we have to deal with that in such a way we know that moammar gadhafi is a bad guy and has killed americans and now we're trying to take him on directly. so we've got to walk through this very carefully and one size does not fit all. we've got to figure out each instance what is in the best interest of the country and there will not be a single path forward we can pick for all these countries. >> don't you alter what the actual play board every time you
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interact. what you do with mubarak affects the america relationship with israel. what you do with libya affects the american relationship with saudi arabia. so as much as everybody would like to go case by case and work out each country as america injects itself on one side or the other, it implicitly disrupts alliances with places like israel and saudi arabia. >> couldn't agree more. the bottom line for viewers is we have strategic interests in the middle east. those interest like support of israel, flow of oil, preventing iran from becoming a nuclear attack, should be benchmarks by which we measure our involvement and commitment to support revolutions hands-on. these revolutions are all going to play out very differently from algeria to tunisia egypt. why we will do more in libya than bahrain and syria which is the next topic of conversation that you and i will have is
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really one of the open question marks. my biggest concern is the fact that the administration is having an extraordinarily hard time understanding how to keep our strategic interests in the united states in mind without being dragged into quagmires that are being put in front of us by other parties like the french for example where the french themselves have a much greater interest in libya. why? because president sarkozy wants to create the union of the mediterranean and see this is as a great opportunity to build credentials up. we don't have to play that game. >> and speaking of which, we're going to turn our attention to france right now for more conversation, gentlemen. we'll talk to you soon. what is the french role in all this? joining us is french philosopher, journalist and one of the great advocates for no-fly zone in libya, what are your thoughts after the last couple days, bernard?
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>> my thoughts is that until now things are going rather well. it is military operation. blessed by the united nations with a clear mandate, with a coalition involving arab league with no colonial targets. it's a humanitarian war perceived as such by the people of libya and so far it is well achieved. >> here's the big question everybody in america is asking, bernard, and as advocate in france maybe you can answer this. the optics as an american news consumer look like this, we launched 130 missiles. six launched by the british. we're operating off u.s. aircraft carriers to facilitate all of this. and at what point is this really
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an american war machine that has the branding of the arab league and france but is being paid for first off by the u.s. taxpayers bankroll and is being coordinated by the american war machine and does france have the capability, political where with all and responsibility to step in after this initial phase to now sustain, maintain and bankroll this and do you think france and england and other allied forces should have to kick into american coffers for the cost of $100 million or so worth of tomahawk missiles? >> france had the political initiative. it is clear that without president sarkozy, we would have a blood bath in benghazi on our shoulders. this is true. france has not alone the capability of waging and driving
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this war until its end. it is not a france problem. i heard the gentleman before me make a difference between american interest and french interest. this is not correct. we have the same interests. gadhafi was and would still be a danger for the free world. gadhafi is -- >> i understand that. i guess my question is simply from an american perspective is we have nearly 20% unemployment. we have a housing crisis. we have a ten-year war in afghanistan. we have a failed war in iraq. we spend 43% of the national defense budget. we have the world's ultimate war and killing machine. we just dropped another $75 million over the weekend to launch tomahawk missiles that were u.s. bankrolled and u.s. launched into this and other
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doesn't r countries have an economic responsibility if this is everyone's problem and military staffing responsibility to actually step in here. >> number one, in this case it is not a killing machine. it is a peace machine. we are not there to make war. we are there to make peace. >> you're not answering my question. >> to put on the power -- i answer your question now. it is a strategy question for america. i know about unemployment. i know about crisis. i know about all that. if we together don't put gadhafi out of power, we will have ahmadinejad for a long time. >> my question is then so do you believe that france, england and other allies will write a check that is collected from french taxpayers and british taxpayers to fund the equipment of war that is being right now paid for
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exclusively by american taxpayers? >> i know. my answer is clear. this burden must absolutely be shared of course by france, england, arabs, qatar, emirates with america. the burden should not be on the shoulders of america alone. this would be absolutely incorrect. i plead for the sharing of the burden and for the share of the cost. it has to be shared. it is a common fight and it is our common values which are at stake. so of course, yes, the burden should be shared. >> bernard, thank you for staying up late and joining in this debate. i hope that we're able to continue this conversation in the weeks to come. thank you so much. coming up here on "the dylan ratigan show" pressure on our own president. lawmakers from both the left and
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>> i authorize the united states military to work with our international partners to fulfill that mandate. now, i also have stated that it is u.s. policy that gadhafi needs to go. >> president obama trying to clarify the u.s. role in enforcing that no-fly zone in libya, the president taking heat from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle saying he doesn't have a clear mission or for that matter necessarily the legal authority to actually do this as a result of failing to consult with congress. take a listen. >> we have been sort of on autopilot for almost ten years now in terms of presidential authority in conducting these type of military operations
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absent the meaningful participation of the congress. this isn't the way that our system is supposed to work. >> the plan is not there. the objectives, the end game is not apparent. >> joining us now, matt lewis, senior contributor at the daily color and jonathan alter. we'll start small. we'll get big. libya, the political fallout. john, does it matter and is this again as much a referendum on american foreign policy going back to 9/11 with unilateral use of the executive branch to launch military operations as it is anything else? >> well, whether it matters or not depends on what senator luger called the end game. this is the proof totally in the p
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p pudding on this. if it turns into a bloody stalemate that goes on for months and months which is much more likely, then the president is going to pay a big political price. i don't think the constitutional is a big issue politically. presidents have done this on many occasions gone to war without a declaration from congress. we fought long wars and long war in vietnam without congressional declaration even the war of powers act doesn't change it much. the unilateral and multilateral issue is important as it applies abroad. this is the first genuinely multilateral war we've seen. in the past bush's coalition of the willing was phony. in this case it's genuine. >> you are nodding when jon said proof is in the pudding. if it works out, great. if it doesn't, it's a disaster. i presume it's because you agree with that. >> he's right. not only are we always fighting the last war militarily but pundits are always fighting the last war and because of what
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happened in afghanistan and iraq, americans and especially commentators are gun shy and going into this assuming things will go bad just as we went into previous wars assuming they would go good because of how well things went during "desert storm." obama could come out looking very good. by the way, there was also a price of doing nothing. if obama failed to act, and gadhafi slaughtered his people -- >> that gets us to the bigger conversation which is whatever libya resolution is, we have now risk alienated israel in the way we dealt with mubarak and risk alienating saudi arabia in the way we're dealing with libya and all of these countries are going to be in play one way or the other. what is the ultimate blowback risk of the bubbling up of hypocrisy in the middle east at this point and do you get any sense that the president or anyone else is leading the way in creating cohesion around here? >> i think the president has handled this heretofore making
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sure this is an arab led coalition. the problem is intervening in libya we're now in there and it's hard to say this was just the will of the libyan people because french are there, british are there, americans are there and actually it's funny because the president has done a pretty good job internationally on politics of it. he hasn't done as well domestically in selling it to congress which i'm somewhat surprised about going into this mission. >> i want to switch to another subject. protests over the weekend on treatment of accused leaker bradley manning. hundreds of demonstrators gatheredi gathering at quantico. one of the dozens of protesters arrested was 18-year-old daniel elseburg, he leaked the secret history of vietnam that is featured in that film "the pentagon papers reque" and instrumental in changing the debate around the vietnam war.
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he's defended manning calling him a "brother." regardless of what you think about bradley manning, what's the risk of ability to identify certainly prisoners and deviate from normal code of justice or military form of justice based on what the discretion of thos with power at the time is. >> the question is how do you believe? do you believe manning's people or president obama and pentagon? i'm not sure who i believed leaked. let's just assume -- >> we do know we have code of uniform justice which explicitly says you are only allowed to use a pretrial prisoner to the point they are not a danger to themselves or someone else. >> they argue that he is a danger. i share your position but not your passion. we have -- >> share the passion with me. it's fun. >> our emotional band width is limited and we do selective outrage. the fact that i'm much more
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concerned about the plight of the unborn and what's happening in congo that people are outraged in making this their cause strikes me as -- he's a traitor. >> the reason there's outrage is because they're for going back to guantanamo and everything else is this concern that the u.s. government has moved into a place where they can treat people on a chrdiscretionary le that may be deviant from what's ledge la legislated in the justice system. >> every day something new comes out about wikileaks. the u.s. found out the indians had bribed members of their own parliament to support a u.s./india nuclear deal in 2008. that's news worthy, good information. you can argue about how it came out but good that it's out there. >> and ambassador to mexico had to resign over --
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>> that's how debates could become mixed up. the information is very valuable. it's dangerous. it's all of these things. >> it doesn't matter whether you think he's a traitor or some think he's a patriot. that's ridiculous. we couldn't run a government if everybody did this. whether it's free speech or leaking material, you know, being a prisoner, it's very easy to protect popular speech. it's very easy to protect a popular prisoner. the test for a democracy is how you treat somebody who is using hate speech or how you treat a prisoner everybody despises. that's the test of whether we're truly an open society and a society of rules and laws. so in that sense, this case is important because it's a referendum on whether -- we've had this slippery slope since 9/11. the whole torture debate where
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we are defining what's acceptable down to paraphrase moynihan and you would think that president obama would be sensitive to this as a constitutional law professor. even if he thinks that that manning is a despicable individual as i'm sure he does, as a constitutional law professor he should take if not a passionate interest at least some interest in getting to the truth of how he's being treated. >> interesting how both topics really are wedge issues against obama. you have the left in many cases and other americans but the left really the most passionate about these issues for sure. >> ironic because obama was their guy. >> it was obviously -- i'll leave it at this. i made this point on the set a few days ago. if it wasn't barack obama but george w. bush was the president and bradley manning was getting identical treatment, the democratic leadership in this country in my opinion would be inflamed over this and i talked to the head of code pink who is
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one of the sort of left wing activist groups out there and they are making the point that they are incredibly active on bradley manning and listen, the point was their ability to recruit and protest against george w. bush and his war crimes was multiples more of what their ability to recruit is now for a protest against the exact same actions. >> it's not the exact same actions. >> fair enough. you could debate that. having a prisoner held for 300 days without trial under treatment for a president that's not barack obama, i really believe that there would be a substantial different response on the part of the democrats. >> not democrats in congress. >> fair enough. >> you are seeing more mainstream voices come out and criticize this. >> i have to bounce. nice to see you guys.
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thank you very much. enjoy your week. stay dry. up next, more warning signs. this is a fun show today by the way as we turn our attention to middle east and bradley manning to the obvious. japan. how officials there ignored alarms about the possibility of a massive quake setting off a nuclear crisis that go back years. are these black swans that keep befalling us truly as unforeseen as everyone would want us to believe?
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turning our attention to japan, setbacks at the fukushima nuclear plant there. smoke started rising from reactor three amid fresh concerns about food and water supplies in the area. residents being warned not to drink the tap water and the government has banned shipments of milk and spinach from the region after radiation was
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detected but could all of this have been prevented? this man had been warning of this exact earthquake/nuclear disaster for years. in '06 he resigned from japan's nuclear advisory panel to protest the commitment to building plants in that quake zone. he even created a japanese word for one, two punch of massive earthquake/nuclear disaster. the majority of so-called unf unforeseeable events are quite foreseen whether talking about another financial crisis or the instability in the middle east. the question is, do we have the courage to see whatever it may be and actually prepare for its eventuality? joining us now is bloomberg's nuclear analyst and professor here at nyu.
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pleasure to see you. you said you wouldn't work today. >> what can i say? i thought i had the day off. things looked calm over the weekend. things change very quickly. >> so we do have the benefit of you being here. before we get into the analysis, what can you tell us about what's going on in japan right now? >> you know, i spoke to two experts who are in close contact with the people in japan and basically said quite frankly we don't know. so the smoke is coming out of there from the reactor. is it smoke or is it steam? if it's steam it may be something less severe. smoke, obviously something more severe. we have a full range of possibilities. there could be problems with the spent fuel pool and that's more perhaps dangerous than if they are just going ahead and continuing to do the venting of the containment vessel. >> any assessment as to the amount of radiation in total that's been released? >> data was effective as of noon today that i saw in that radiation levels are going down. i had a huge table of data from
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the japanese provided to me and radiation levels were coming down. my understanding is that there is still very, very limited danger to the people in tokyo. obviously at the site it's different. it's more intense. it's a dynamic and constantly evolving situation. >> what do you make of the warning signs and our preparedness not just in the case of this gentleman i was referencing in the introduction in japan but universally across all of the nuclear rhetoric right now, germany seems to be the most aggressive in saying we need to review everything. other countries like our own are more passive saying think it's okay. how do you know what the right answers to the questions is? >> it's a complex issue. people are fundamentally afraid of the unknown and radiation is the unknown. the people in germany are very upset about nuclear power because the government lied to them in 1986 and didn't level
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with them to the extent of the danger that was present. when you speak to young mothers who are raising kids at the time, they weren't sure what the risk was. however, what the germans are doing is right. they are suspending the old nuclear power plants. in the united states it's absolutely necessary for us to reassess and re-evaluate because if we don't do so, then we're losing the valuable lessons that we can take from the episode from over there. >> the fact of the matter is we're not as prepared as we should or could be for a combination of earthquakes, nuclear disaster, anywhere in the world. is that a fair assessment? there is more that could be done particularly when you get into these super quakes and potential liability when it comes to a nuclear facility or any other resource facility. >> you know, i think that you can never be completely 100% prepared and the nuclear energy industry is doing everything it can to study this event to look
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very carefully on how they can improve and maintain safety of nuclear power in this country. nuclear power is a very, very important powerful technology and very, very difficult to replace some of these things. it's always everyone's last choice, nuclear power. always prefer to have renewables or have natural gas. the fact remains some of these reactors because of the electric power generation are very difficult to replace. >> it's a pleasure to make the acquaintance. sorry for you working today but i'm glad you were working today. >> thank you very much. look forward to come back again. >> all right. bloomberg's nuclear untanalyst professor at nyu. a big catch 22 in a bad economy. why more and more companies say you need a job to find a job but hang on a second, i don't have a job. you get it. first, the very first version of the dr show. u.s. citizenship test back with
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"newsweek" recently asked 1,000 u.s. citizens to take the citizenship test. the results were not pretty as they typically are not. 29% of americans don't know who the vice president in this country is and a full 6% couldn't even circle independence day on a calendar. it did get us to wondering what else folks don't know about america. for instance, what would a d.r show version of the citizenship test look like. every good american should know who is buying their politicians. the answer if you are playing along at home is health care, energy, telecommunications, agriculture, defense and banking of course. question number two, which country do you live in.
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country b is 26th in education, 26th in health care, and ninth in quality of life. which one do you live in? if you said country a, you're from switzerland. congratulations. country b is of course the united states. making matters worse, we spend more on any of those things than any other nation and still continue to get those atrocious results. a clear sign of a broken market when you spend a lot and get a little. sounds like somebody's rigging the game. as for bonus points which u.s. president broke up the banks, busted up monopolies and invested in national parks and looked good in hunting garb? the answer, teddy roosevelt. and just ahead, a new documentary about the horrific fire that shocked america and changed this country's labor laws forever. shed rates.
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>> my great grandmother survived the fire. she watched her co-workers falling from the windows holding hands. >> that devastating fire 100 years ago occurred at the triangle shirt waste factory.
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one of the worst workplace disasters in american history. a new documentary called "triangle" tells that amazing story of those who survived and those that perished and what it cat li did for labor. it also describes how the millionaire owners of triangle were charged in connection with that fire but ultimately acquitted. >> it took the all-male jury less than two hours to return a verdict. not guilty on all counts. >> looking at it from the victims and their families point of view, if my daughter had died in that fire and he hadn't been my grandfather, i probably would have shot him. >> the documentary airs tonight on hbo. the filmmaker joins us right now. compelling content in this. how do you see it relevant
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today? >> well, it's interesting. 100 years after the triangle shirt waste fire, a lot of things that those women died for are under attack. so much we take for granted. child labor laws, minimum wage, unemployment insurance, pensions, health care, worker safety rules. all of this stuff that we take for granted now in many ways was started after this tragic fire. look at what we're seeing in wisconsin and across this country right now, an assault on some of the basic rights that these women died for. >> and why do you think momentum to mount that assault has accumulated? >> i would be the first to admit that unions have had their problems, government regulation had its problems but the way it's been vilified and caricatured in most of the mainstream press i think has done a disservice. we don't really have a sense of history. where all this stuff came from. if we're trying to reconfigure
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how we govern and the balance between private business and workers and middle class citizens and the role of government, you have to have some sense of how this all came about and a good place to start is the triangle shirt waste fire. >> what really struck you as you retold this story there seems to be obviously so much here that is so emotionally intense and so emotionally trying and at the same time aspects of this that are inspirational. give us a little bit of a sense of what really stands out in your heart and in your soul. >> i think any of us who live through 9/11 knows the horror of seeing people who went to work on a beautiful day somehow end up being incinerated or jumping out the window to their death. that's what happened 100 years ago also. it was a beautiful saturday afternoon at the end of a workday when this fire broke out
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and in 18 minutes swept through these three floors and many of the young immigrant women, italian and jewish dissent ended up on the ledge jumping to their death. i think what compounded the horror of that is many of these young women were on the streets two years earlier in what was called the uprising of the 20,000 which is one of the first labor movements inspired and led by women against the advice of most mainstream labor leaders who said we shouldn't go on strike and we have to talk. triangle shirt waste fire held out and never accepted a union and so i think there was a feeling of guilt. these women had been beaten by thugs, by the police. they had been arrested. here they were two years later dying and i think a lot of new yorkers were horrified and also felt guilty. we have to do something. >> the most inspiring thing? >> the most inspiring thing is al smith's grandson is in the film and he speaks about how al smith who he described as a hack
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was changed by what he discovered as he led the investigative committee that was established after this and he became a major reformer in american politics and in many ways as francis perkins said who witnessed it that day, the new deal really started on march 25th, 1911. >> marc, a pleasure to make the acquaintance. congratulations on the film. marc levin, "triangle" tonight on hbo. coming up on "hardball," chris matthews has more on the u.s. situation in libya. first, the unemployment need not apply. how does that work? a new form of discrimination that makes life even tougher for the millions of americans without jobs and the ongoing jobs crisis that is ignored by both sides of the aisle in this country. when you pour chunky sirloin burger soup over it,
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we're here to talk about rising form of intolerance in our own society which is discrimination against the unemployed. take it away. >> we all know there are a lot of downsides to being unemployed. loss of income being the most obvious. there's also the loss of professional identity, pride and sense of purpose. unfortunately there's another downside that may trump them all. just like having a prison record or face tattoo, do being unemployed can render potential job seekers permanently unemployable. a growing number of companies are refusing to even interview people who are currently out of work. going so far as to say so in job postings. the disturbing trend was recently a report on "the
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huffington post" which was an ad for a marketing position that said no unemployed candidates will be considered at all. the spokeswoman replaced regret for the ad and it has been removed. the practice is so widespread that last week hank johnson introduced legislation that would make discrimination against the unemployed a violation of law. defenders of these recruiting practices argue they make sense. thinking goes that even during layoffs don't most companies find a way to keep their best and brightest employees? perhaps in an ideal world. in an ideal world there wouldn't be layoffs and economic downturns to begin in. people lose jobs for all kinds of reasons in the real world. ask a town in nevada which may
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close its school and disappear all together. the reason why is the plant that employs the majority of residents will soon close. i'm a cheerleader of politics of personal responsibility that you are likely to find. to the irritation of my more liberal friends, i do believe in the power and possibility of people pulling themselves up by their boot straps. i also believe that you can't advise someone to pull themselves up by their boot straps and then steal their boots out from under them or refuse to let them have access to a pair in the first place and denying unemployed people the opportunity to compete for a job is doing just that. so here's hoping all of the residents in nevada finds a job before their plant closes and their future is written off for good. >> how prevalent do you think this is? >> i think it's more prevalent than we think. people are finding this out through antidotal evidence that's been public so it's scary to think about what hasn't made
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it onto monster.com or other websites where people are pointsing this out. >> when you look at the jobs crisis in america, nearly 20% unemployment in real life, long-term unemployment and the fact that's been ignored by both barack obama, republican leadership, democratic leadership, and anybody at the top of the food chain when it comes to political power in this country, how much longer do you think they can afford to ignore it and are you surprised they have been able to ignore it for as long as they have? >> the law will be really interesting and helpful. we've seen this before with laws that get introduced that don't pass but good thing that comes out is if a law doesn't come out of it, the conversation that it forces all politicians to have and go on the record to where they stand on an issue makes it worthwhile even with health care every time health care failed in years before, it forced people on the record with the issue. we may see that happen with mr. johnson's bill. i'm interested to see politicians justify this form of discrimination which is what they'll have to do if they say they're not for the b

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The Dylan Ratigan Show
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